The end of the starting pitcher, the end of MLB, and the end of an era…

[kingofdiamonds]

The end of starting pitchers is nigh, and it’s all thanks to the bean counters.

Thank you bean counters, the house negroes of their massa, scrimping and saving and streamlining for their greedy owners.

You wanted to get rid of starting pitchers and it looks like you’ve done it. Congratulations.

I can’t pinpoint when this started, maybe it was that scumbag GM in Tampa Bay with his stupid “Opener” bullshit, maybe it was the quant nerds in Kansas City with their bullpen garbage in 2015, maybe it all began with the pseudo intellectual moron Tony Larussa with his match up shell games.

The quant scumbags in MLB have ruined the game, and in the end they’ll only have themselves to blame.

All because of money.

What else is new? In this country of the “Bare Minimum”, baseball is going the way of the airlines. No more meals, no more snacks, no more extra bags, no more pillows, no more blankets… They’re cutting costs, but it’s going to cost them I’m afraid.

Just imagine for a moment if MLB telecasts would black out the pitchers face during the game. Just a black box over his face the entire time he pitches. Just a guy out there, pitching, anonymously, unknown to fans. People would be like what the fuck is going on? Who’s pitching? What is this shit? But that folks, is where we’re headed.

The average innings pitched by starting pitchers has gone down faster than an Alpine skier year by year and nobody cares or is willing to stop it.

All because you faggot scumbag ivy leaguers got into the game. Failed unathletic nerds who couldn’t even make their junior varsity baseball team.

Or maybe it was because Billy Beane-counter let you fucking nerds in.

You don’t want to pay multi-year multi-million dollar contracts to starting pitchers because you only want to save money… You don’t give a fuck about the game.

You don’t want anything to sit “idle” so you invent Uber and Air B&B and “maximize the use of an idle bullpen” because you don’t give a fuck about the game.

You don’t want to see a guy contribute to a team once every 5 days. Every slave must work for his dollar! Fuck you proletariat! You beast of burden! You peasant worker! You don’t give a fuck about the game.

Gee, notice a pattern here?

YOU DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE GAME.

You only want hitters to be famous. Fuck pitchers. You want baseball to be like slow pitch softball where they just lob the ball in to get smashed.

By the way, if you were so hell bent on ruining the game with your penchant for penny pinching, why not get rid of umpires? They are useless now anyway, after all, we’ve already established that… YOU DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE GAME.

But thanks for acknowledging that you don’t know shit about pitching. You cannot identify, develop or appraise starting pitching. You fucking pathetic bean counters are so frustrated, flummoxed, and flustered by pitching. You’re absolutely terrible at it so you want to get rid of it.

Awww, what’s the matter, have you no tolerance for something that you can’t quantify you fucking losers?

Soon there will no longer be starting pitchers because of these quant assholes. It will only be a never ending parade of faceless, nameless arms that nobody has heard of, or even cares about. Isn’t that what you want? Goodbye future Roger Clemens, goodbye future Steve Carlton, goodbye future Sandy Koufax. There’s no room for you in this game, you shall be as anonymous as an NFL team’s defense.

Why does MLB allow bullshit like this? Do they want even fewer players to be recognized? Openers? Lifting starters after 3 innings? Bullpen by committee? This is bullshit by committee.

They lifted Mize on Sunday after 3 innings in a 1 run game! They lifted Brault after 3 innings, AND he had the lead! Does MLB really expect people to bet on this fucking garbage? What’s the use in handicapping games anymore?

Why does the MLBPA allow bullshit like this? Do they not see what’s going on? How are pitchers going to get bigger contracts if they don’t pitch long enough to get credited for a win? Free agent pitchers are waiting to get signed later and later, if at all? Only hitters will get big contracts. That’s OK with them? Get that fucking dumb high school grad Tony Clark out of there. The guy’s a fucking moron. We all know why you got the job you token affirmative action Uncle Tom!

Bye bye Clayton, bye bye Gerritt, bye bye Feces Sabathia we hardly knew you. You had a good run. Now go away and retire like a former stud horse on a farm. Swish your tail while you’re eating hay. Baseball don’t give a fuck about y’all no more.

 

[unusualsusp11]

I must say you hit the nail on the head here. A starting pitcher has to beg the manager to go 5 innings now even with a 3 run lead. No way the manager retorts. Our 29 yr. old GM does not want you facing that lineup a third time around They have you all figured out and you must be tired throwing 50 pitches. We have 10 man bullpens now and they must be used for one inning every other game to face hitters we want them to face. No way we are paying 30 million a year for a pitcher who breaks down every other month. We can get ten pitchers for 15 million total and they are all content with their workload of throwing 15 pitches every other day. These guys will last for years. No pacing themselves through a long stint like our starters used to do. The Yale graduates we hired to study this say this is the way to go now and we are all going to to do it from now till the end of time.

 

[MAGAking1]

I havent watched baseball in years. Last time was when KC won world series. Since then less than 2 hours total

Didnt know the game has changed so much, yes having few pitching starts will surely make the game die faster.

Have hitting numbers declined as a result of pitchers getting switch out more often?

 

[unusualsusp11]

I must say you hit the nail on the head here. A starting pitcher has to beg the manager to go 5 innings now even with a 3 run lead. No way the manager retorts. Our 29 yr. old GM does not want you facing that lineup a third time around They have you all figured out and you must be tired throwing 50 pitches. We have 10 man bullpens now and they must be used for one inning every other game to face hitters we want them to face. No way we are paying 30 million a year for a pitcher who breaks down every other month. We can get ten pitchers for 15 million total and they are all content with their workload of throwing 15 pitches every other day. These guys will last for years. No pacing themselves through a long stint like our starters used to do. The Yale graduates we hired to study this say this is the way to go now and we are all going to to do it from now till the end of time.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Retarded article full of fail

 

[rolltide]

Have hitting numbers declined as a result of pitchers getting switch out more often?

unsure but i watched my first MLB game of the season last night and could not believe the BA of the starters of MIL/PIT. Glad i didn't see them before I bet the over

Bucs started one player >.266 and two guys <.150
Brewers started no player >.262 and FOUR guys <.200

 

[Willie99]

Bert Blyleven, who played from like 1969 into the late 80's, used to throw 130+ pitches per game ON THREE DAYS LEFT. That's right, 3 days rest, they used to have 4 man rotations

Bert laughs at these pitch counts, as does another HOF pitcher, Nolan Ryan



Managers make decisions based on pitch counts, when they should make decisions based on how the pitcher is pitching

 

[SgtLanquel]

Retarded article full of fail

Correct

MLB payrolls have never been higher than today

 

[crudebar]

And, middle age to old white men use to dominate in poker before the younger generation came in and changed the game. It's called game theory and it works.

No one is stopping anyone from using the principles of the old school. If you want to lose go right ahead and pitcher ur starter 7 innings or have them go 130 pitches every start and see what happens.

Even as a kid i use to always wonder when the announcer would say "you need to get the starter out early and get into their pen" every reliever almost always had a better to much better era than the starter (because they normally don't go more than an inning so a reliever can always go all out) why would you want to face the specialists in the pen? I would even wonder why they would make so much of a strike out over any other out, does it count as 2? Or always my favorite, giving up an out to move a runner from 1st to 2nd. Let's make it a 2 out inning. Unbelievably dumb.

edit: Lastly, that is one of the worst articles ever written. Sounds like every broke gambler who blames the game and not himself for why he is broke. I have no idea if he has a financial interest in baseball but that is what it sounds like. I enjoy his argument and this is all for screwing starting pitchers and making hitters famous. @)

 

[Willie99]

^^^^^^

You've done nothing but "beg the question"

As for poker, WTF?

 

[crudebar]

Bye Bye Gerrit. You only got 250 million. If it weren't for the nerds you would have gotten paid 1 billion dollars.

 

[rolltide]

And, middle age to old white men use to dominate in poker

yeah that's a great analogy...baseball to poker. next let's do race history of parasailing to snooker

fn idiot

 

[crudebar]

^^^^^^

You've done nothing but "beg the question"

As for poker, WTF?

U seriously can't follow? let me paraphrase. Baseball had a certain way of thinking. The "nerds" came in and changed that way of thinking and it made teams better, so everyone has gone that route. Same happened in basketball, same happened in poker. The "nerds" took over.

I am assuming "nerd" means, someone i constantly lose to but my simple mind can't figure out why...

 

[crudebar]

yeah that's a great analogy...baseball to poker. next let's do race history of parasailing to snooker

fn idiot

Old guys are fun.

 

[MAGAking1]

And, middle age to old white men use to dominate in poker before the younger generation came in and changed the game. It's called game theory and it works.

No one is stopping anyone from using the principles of the old school. If you want to lose go right ahead and pitcher ur starter 7 innings or have them go 130 pitches every start and see what happens.

Even as a kid i use to always wonder when the announcer would say "you need to get the starter out early and get into their pen" every reliever almost always had a better to much better era than the starter (because they normally don't go more than an inning so a reliever can always go all out) why would you want to face the specialists in the pen? I would even wonder why they would make so much of a strike out over any other out, does it count as 2? Or always my favorite, giving up an out to move a runner from 1st to 2nd. Let's make it a 2 out inning. Unbelievably dumb.

edit: Lastly, that is one of the worst articles ever written. Sounds like every broke gambler who blames the game and not himself for why he is broke. I have no idea if he has a financial interest in baseball but that is what it sounds like. I enjoy his argument and this is all for screwing starting pitchers and making hitters famous. @)

Choptalk Retarded article full of fail...no one could write anything more stupid
Crudbar Hold my beer

 

[Willie99]

I do think giving such crazy money to anybody doesn't usually end well

 

[crudebar]

You should be more intelligent than this. All teams went this way because it wins games. It's not hard to understand.

It has nothing to do with "screwing anyone over"

 

[Knightrofins]

I was young when we had the 4 man pitching rotations but pitchers would go every 4th game.

I remember the early 90's when the 5th starter would pitch but would ONLY pitch if a team played for 5 straight days. So if a team played 8 days in a row, the 5th starter would pitch day 5. The number 1 would pitch day 6, the number 2 would pitch day 7, and the number 3 would pitch day 8.

Day 9 would be an off day
Day 10- the number 4 pitches,
day 11, the number 1 pitches
day 12 the number 2 pitches
day 13 the number 3 pitches
day 14 the number 5 pitches

so the number 5 would wait 9 days for his next start.

Now pitchers pitch every 5th game and it doesnt matter with a day off or not.

The Rays figured out go get an "opener" and that changes baseball a little.

I think the 2020 year is a little messed up with pitchers with late start and wanting to keep pitchers fresh for the post season.

I'd still rather have a dominant ace in there over a "bullpen by committee" for the game.

But if you dont have dominant starting pitching, you do what you gotta do

 

[Willie99]

U seriously can't follow? let me paraphrase. Baseball had a certain way of thinking. The "nerds" came in and changed that way of thinking and it made teams better, so everyone has gone that route. Same happened in basketball, same happened in poker. The "nerds" took over.

I am assuming "nerd" means, someone i constantly lose to but my simple mind can't figure out why...

Of course I can follow, hence I said WTF? Your poker analogy is absolutely horrible

As for "making teams better", that's just begging the question.

 

[crudebar]

I was young when we had the 4 man pitching rotations but pitchers would go every 4th game.

I remember the early 90's when the 5th starter would pitch but would ONLY pitch if a team played for 5 straight days. So if a team played 8 days in a row, the 5th starter would pitch day 5. The number 1 would pitch day 6, the number 2 would pitch day 7, and the number 3 would pitch day 8.

Day 9 would be an off day
Day 10- the number 4 pitches,
day 11, the number 1 pitches
day 12 the number 2 pitches
day 13 the number 3 pitches
day 14 the number 5 pitches

so the number 5 would wait 9 days for his next start.

Now pitchers pitch every 5th game and it doesnt matter with a day off or not.

The Rays figured out go get an "opener" and that changes baseball a little.

I think the 2020 year is a little messed up with pitchers with late start and wanting to keep pitchers fresh for the post season.

I'd still rather have a dominant ace in there over a "bullpen by committee" for the game.

But if you dont have dominant starting pitching, you do what you gotta do

Of course, that's why Gerrit Cole got something around 250 million dollars. There simply aren't many Gerrit Coles to go around obviously.